thank you very much for the info. i read it with interest. i know from dna proof that i do not descend from the faure group, but trying to seperate data from each group is difficult to say the least. the one record of particular interest to me is that of john ford and thomas vann in henrico. i have been unable to find anything else on this vann. are you aware of anything that can clarify that the john ford is in fact of the faure group ?