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Women's Married Names
Steven Roberts
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I have a number of women in my family tree who had more than one husband.  The relationship page has a place for the marriage date  and place and her married name.  The problem is that the marriage date and place for each marriage is unique to each marriage, but the married name is restricted to one value.  Since each time a woman marries, she takes on the name of her then husband, why can't that entry be preserved just like the marriage date and place?  Please correct this oversight in the next version of FTB.

 Another problem with the married name field is that it includes only the surname, but a common custom in the USA is for the woman to change her middle name as well as her surname.  Usually she takes her maiden name as her new middle name.  Can this feature be added in  a future version of FTB?

Steven Roberts
Cape Cod
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RE: Women's Married Names
Uri Gonen
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Hi Steve, First, thanks for your comment and observation regarding women’s names in FTB. In FTB we added one field for a woman’s married name. We thought, and other genealogy software do this as well, that a person has only one last/married name at a time. So for example, when Jacqueline Bouvier married John Kennedy, her married name changed to “Kennedy”. Then when she married Aristotle Onassis, she changed her married name to “Kennedy-Onassis”, though every woman may choose to change her married name in a different way. So, if in your family there are women, like Jacqueline, that have married names that are built up of multiple husband’s names, you should enter this complex name for her married name manually in FTB. FTB cannot automatically assume that this is the case because in many other cases it is not. You can also use the “Additional names” form for even more complex situations. Similarly with middle names. In the first name field, we advise our users to enter all the relevant middle names as well. So if in your family there is a “Mary Lee” who married “John Smith” and then changed her first name to “Mary Lee” and her last name to “Smith”, you may wish to enter “Mary Lee” as her first name. However, by default, FTB displays names of women by adding their maiden names in brackets, so in this case, the software will display her name, by default, as “Mary Lee Smith (Lee)” which may not be desirable. So, you may wish to change the display options in FTB (in the Tools > Options dialog) to show names of married women without adding their maiden names in brackets, and then FTB will show her name as simply “Mary Lee Smith”. Hope this helps, Uri GonenMyHeritage Product Manager
Uri Gonen
Israel
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RE: Women's Married Names [2]
Steven Roberts
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The problem of women's names is a more complex than many people appreciate.  When you are doing genealogy research, you need the full name including the middle name of the person you are searching for information about.  Since women, at least in the USA, frequently change both their last name and their middle name when they get married, you need to preserve both complete names.  For instance, Mary Jane Smith marries Tom Jones and becomes Mary Smith Jones.  If someone tries to search for Mary Jane Jones, her married name as FTB presently presents it, they will find nothing or the wrong person.  If I enter both of her middle names, as you suggest, I get the confusing result of Mary Jane Smith Jones or Mary Jane Smith Jones [Smith] or Mary Jane Smith Smith, depending on which option I choose. 

To the person who said that the married name is not important in genealogy, you have evidently never searched the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) to find out when one of your ancestors died.  The SSDI only lists the name at the time of death, not the maiden name.  Also, the married name is what shows up in census, wills and other public records.  So, for females, you must know both names, and for those who have had multiple married names, you need to know those depending on the range of dates that you are searching.

 I just searched the list of GEDCOM tags and found that there is no tag for middle names, only for given names and surnames, so I guess that there is no easy way to do what i would like to do.  Could you at least change FTB so that the married name is preserved along with the marriage date and place?

 On the subject of tags, why doesn't your website accept the GEDCOM prefix and suffix tags?  Putting the Sr, Jr, II, etc. in the given or surname field, as I have seen some people do, confuses searches.

Steven Roberts
Cape Cod
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RE: Women's Married Names
Patrick Chefalo
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In my opinion, it is absolutely STUPID to change a woman's name in a genealogy file to reflect her marriage. So I agree with the original poster that this shouldn't be done.

Your name is your name -- given to you at birth, appended perhaps by a later naming rite (baptism, etc.) , it is yours forever. When combined with date and place of birth, it allows unique identification. It shows your heritage, and no one else's. It is the shortest means of identification for an individual. That's how I submit my trees to GenCircles.

In my research I have found several instances where a man married two women with the same given name, or ones that were close. Adding the married name to the mix just confuses matters. When you add the problem of multiple marriages for the woman, it just turns into an endless guessing game.

The use of married names for women in SmartMatches makes them DumbMatches, as far as I am concerned.  Let;s see the surname of her father (in Western European traditions at least) and DON'T CHANGE MY DATA by your conventions.

Patrick Chefalo
Rochester, NY
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RE: Women's Married Names
Hilmy Harun Hashim
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For the Malay community in Malaysia, married women do not in general use their husband's name but use their maiden name instead. It is rather ackward to view their names in the family tree listings with their husband's name inserted as we are not familiar with that setting. We should have an option to NOT include thehusband's name.

Thanks. 

Hilmy Harun Hashim
Kuala Lumpur
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RE: Women's Married Names [2]
Riitta-Maija Ahonen
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You can change your settings either women with their maiden name or with their husbans' name. But there is no option, which leaves the name as it is, which is a real problem. My relative, who knows a lot about genealogy says My Heritage has a major flaw in this matter. There should be an option: the name stays as given. I ordered some posters, and the names were all wrong and the posters are useless. In Finland the women had their own names until about 1900 and then by law the husband's name and nowadays you can choose. Until the 19th century there were a lot of people not having a surname, but only a name and a patronymic. In the poster the programme put the man's patronymic as the wife's surname, that is really wrong. I have asked for this change a long time ago, I can't understand, how should it be so difficult! Waiting for an answer from My Heritage! Best wishes!
Riitta-Maija Ahonen
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RE: Women's Married Names [3]
Lior Shaked
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Hi Riitta-Maija

Thanks for writing to us.

There is no way to show last names in more than one format in your tree and charts.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

My best suggestion for you would be to add the names according to the settings you chose, for example- display married names and add the last name that you want into the married name field. 

Best Regards,

Lior

MyHeritage.com team 

 

Lior Shaked
Israel
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RE: Women's Married Names [4]
Riitta-Maija Ahonen
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This things drives me crazy, as all the charts and posters are wrong! In this world, where there are so many different traditions and laws about women's married names, it should be possible to let the names be as given in the tree and not to or change anything in them. The programme doesn't change mens' surnames either! There is no logic in this! I heard from a relative, who is genealogist, that genealogists don't generally use My Heritage for this reason, she was actually quite furious for this, as she ordered a chart and from some hundred names there came hardly anything out right. There must a way to add an option "no change on women's surnames"! Please pass this request forward!!!! Best wishes, Rita
Riitta-Maija Ahonen
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RE: Women\\\'s Married Names [5]
Lior Shaked
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Hi Rita,
 
Thanks for your reply.
We currently do not have this option, although thank you for the suggestion. I will be sure to forward it to the appropriate department for consideration.
Please let me know if you have any other ideas as we do value such input from our users.
 
Best regards,
Lior
MyHeritage.com team 
Lior Shaked
Israel
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