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Some thoughts about entering records......
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I'm an old grumpy goat, been in the army, teacher and a lawyer. I'm used to have things very structured and it makes me upset when I see no structure in things.

I joined this site 2012-12-30 and uploaded my first famili tree, that had about 5 000 persons in it. I usually work with my trees about 6-8 hours EVERY day and now have 27 626 persons in my main tree. All this had NOT been possible without this site AND the wounderful work a lot of people have done, uploaded and shared with others. A BIG THANK YOU to all of you, especially those who have accepted me as member so we can share information. BUT there is nothing good that hasn't somethning bad with it. Here are a few things I have noticed.

1. Why do some people allways use ONLY CAPITAL LETTERS in names, places and other information?

2. Why do some people allways use only small letters i names, places and other information?

3. As far as I know you allways use a capital letter as first letter in names, places (Harry Potter, London, England)

4. Why do nordic people use abbrivations for names? Eriksdatter should be Eriksdatter NOT Eriksdtr.?

5. A title is NOT a name. Countess Christina von xxxxx is NOT something to put in the name field Christina is the forername and von xxx the surname, DON'T put von at the end of the forename, it belongs to the surname. Put the title somewhere else NOT before/after the forname.

6. If you don't want other people to see your family tree, why publish it? I can accept that some of you don't want to show people still living but...... are they not a part of the familly tree and research? It's most ennoying to see Private in a family tree especially for people that have been dead for 200 years.

All theese small things have caused a lot of extra work and that time could have been used for more important things. Well I guess there are other things that people would change in other trees but, it would be nice if we could have SOME kind of standart when entering records.

Have a nice day from a sunny and VERY hot Spain.

Jack J Jackson/the Swede in Spain

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RE: Some thoughts about entering records......
Phillip Olson
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I am just wondering how you are posting and complaining about a site you have not yet joined.  You say you joined 2012-12-30. That is still 6 months in the future.  ROFL,  just giving the admittedly old grumpy goat a hard time.
Phillip Olson
Tucson, AZ
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RE: Some thoughts about entering records......
Jo Kotylak
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I agree with a lot of what you said, abbreviations in names and places drive me nuts.  But, did you realise how you entered the date - backwards.  Genealogically speaking, so as there to be no confusion should not dates be written date month year.  For example 4 5 56 could be either 4th of May 1956 or April 5th 1956 depending on your country of orrigin.  And, lets face it, our ancestors travelled - so we need to be absolutely clear.  Most genies I know write the dates 4 Jun 1956 for example so their is no mistaking the date.  I told a newbie once, imagine your in Australia, and publish your tree and a person from Latvia reads it.  There is no way that person will know the local abbreviations and place names, so moe, vic would mean nothing to them or Yarra, well here in Victoria could be anything.  Formal writing of place names should be suburb, state, country.  The CURRENT one - if people want to in notes add that the place at the time of occupation used to be called something else, then thats great, but if a living person wants to GO to that place, and haven't heard of the historic town, how the heck are they going to.  Just as I would have no clue on all the 50 or so state abbreviations for America.  Easy if you live there, time wasting and frustrating if you don't.  Oh, and don't get me started on people who publish old photos under the titles of Nan and Pa, or Mum and Dad - please, give these people their NAMES not what they were to you.  As I said, don't get me started.
Jo Kotylak
Australia
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RE: Some thoughts about entering records...... [2]
Anders Karlsson
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I see no wrong with the dateSkrattande. Im from Sweden and it is correct for me. Also you will get the sort order correct if you use that format in text. If you sorted the places the same way (country,state,suburb) you would get all people born close to each other grouped.

Not like this

High Street 1234, Geogetown

High Street 2345, Harrington

High Street 3456, Georgetown

High Street 4567, Harrington

 

/Anders

Anders Karlsson
Sverige
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RE: Some thoughts about entering records......
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I found your complaints interesting and, well, somewhat quixotic.  Inconsistency, after all, is inherent in diversity, which is what most families not stuck in the same town for centuries have.  Mine comes from every continent and I still have not figured out how to research my Asian foremothers.  Certainly some people use or misuse capitalization or the lack of it out of carelessness, but in my case it was deliberate:  I CAPITALIZE the GIVEN NAMES of my parents' ancestors, so that their descendants can pick out who carries their line out of anywhere from two to 12 offspring.  I have noticed that other people capitalize the last name as being the most important.  Some of the practices you object to are work-arounds for the limitations of the myHeritage program itself.  For instance, I put royal and noble titles with the first name (of which by some, especially the bearers, they are considered to be an integral part anyway), because if you put them in the title spot on FTB, they do NOT show up on the on-line Info page of the Profile page--you have to go to the Events page.  I modify and adjust what myHeritage provides to help our family history and genealogy make sense to my audience, which is not other myHeritage users nor even other genealogists, but the present and future generations of my own family.  Others are welcome to use my research, but they will have to adjust the format for their own needs when necessary.

Finally--When you are retired and enjoying sunny Spain, what could be more important than putting your family's genealogy and history together for your children, nephews and nieces and their descendants?

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RE: Some thoughts about entering records......
Eric Dalton
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At least as far as point number 5 goes, people just don't understand how to do it. Even though it's relatively easy to see. Titles would obviously go in the prefix box. People just don't know what the whole "de" "von", etc is, they just copy it from somewhere not knowing where to put it. People also don't really understand public and private. It seems that either a lot more people recently have put their trees on private or there is a bug in the system somewhere, because there are a lot more private trees that there used to be. They also don't pay much attention to "dead/alive."
Eric Dalton
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Athol Geoffrey Stewart
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Hi,

No problem for me, I haven't found anyone in my tree with a title!

Geoff

Athol Geoffrey Stewart
Australia
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RE: Some thoughts about entering records...... [3]
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Lucky for you.....kinda sorta.  The nice thing about having nobility in your ancestry is not that it makes you a better person, but that there are RECORDS!! and ARCHIVES!!  And if the records and archives got destroyed, the folks you are looking for are bound to show up in the records and archives of other noble families, because they all married each other.  Of course if you are still a member of the nobility (which I am not), you don't have to do anything at all--it's all been done or being done for you.  Of course noble families used to pay good money to chroniclers to link them up with fine ancestors factual, legendary, mythical, and even divine--maybe they still do.  So you do have to be cautious and be prepared to have lots of grains of salt handy.
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RE: Some thoughts about entering records...... [4]
Eric Dalton
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Member wrote:

The nice thing about having nobility in your ancestry is not that it makes you a better person, but that there are RECORDS!! and ARCHIVES!!

 

As you glare down your nose through your monocle.  Wink

Eric Dalton
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