This topic is about Engeltjie Quint and her direct ancestry all the way upto the supposed roaylty.
I am looking for evidence and further information on the ancestry of Engela (Engeltjie) Laubscher born Quint. I am particularly looking along the following line (hence I have left out some family members). Thus far I have the following information but nothing to support it. Any information you can add to this would be greatly appreciated.
1.Engela (Engeltjie) Laubser [Quint] was born in 1662 in Leersum, Utrecht, Netherlands and died in 1726 in Nooitgedacht, South Africa. Father was Edouart Quint was born in 1620 and died in 1685. He married Wilhemiena Quint [Verwey].
2.Mother, Wilhemiena Quint [Verwey] was born in 1620 and died on an unknown date. Father Johan Hugosz Verwey who married Aletta Verwey [van Zijl] died in 1655 in Amerongen, Netherlands.
3.Father, Johan Hugosz Verwey was born About 1602 in Amerongen, Netherlands and died on Oct. 25, 1661 in Amerongen, Netherlands. His father, Hugo Aelberts Verwey. Mother Mechteld Fransdr Verwey [van Amerongen].
4.Hugo Aelberts Verwey was born in 1571 in Rhenen, Netherlands and died on Mar. 1, 1642 in Amerongen, Netherlands. He married Mechteld Fransdr Verwey [van Amerongen] About 1595. Father, Aelbert Huijgens Verweij and mother Cornelia Roloffsen Verwey [van Hattem].
5.Cornelia Roloffsen Verwey [van Hattem] died on Dec. 31, 1606 in Rhenen, Netherlands. Father, Dirksz Roelof (Vreme) van Hattem. Mother, Maria van Hattem [Hol].
6. Dirksz Roelof (Vreme) van Hattem was born About 1520 and died About 1578. He married Maria van Hattem [Hol]. Father, Dirk van Hattem and mother Dirckje Jan van Hatten [Arntzdochter].
7. Dirk van Hattem was born About 1475 and died About 1526. He married Dirckje Jan van Hatten [Arntzdochter]. Father, Roelof van Hattem. Mother, unknown van Hatten [van der Mehr].
8. Roelof van Hattem was born After 1391 and died Before 1491. He married and unknown woman [van der Mehr]. Father,Jan van Hattem and mother, unknown, was born about.
9.Jan van Hattem was born in 1356 in Hattem, Netherlands and died After 1422. He married and unknown woman. It is said that he was the illegitimate sonA. of , Reinoud III van Gelre, Count of Gueldress. Mother unknown.
10.Reinoud III van Gelre, Count of Gueldress was born on May 13, 1333 and died on Dec. 4, 1371. He met 2nd Unknown. His father was Reinoud II (The Black) van Gelre, Duke of Guelderland was born in 1295 in Arnhem, Netherlands and died on Oct. 12, 1343. Mother, Eleanor van Gelre, PlantagenetB. was born on Jun. 18, 1318 in Woodstock Palace, Oxfordshire, UK and died on Apr. 22, 1355 in Deventer.
A. The story of Jan van Hattem goes something like this...he was the illegitimate son of a Count. The Count, during his brief reign, granted him land or a town named Hattem. We might presume Jan took the surname of the land and the land might have been named after the unknown mother - all presumption of course.
B. Eleanor, named after her grandmother, was a Plantagenet by blood (part of the King Edward House). Her brother was King Edward the 3rd. Her parents were Edward II and Isabella of France.
This topic is about the Laubscher Founder Father, Nicolaas, who arrived in South Africa around 1676 - and his immediate children.
I have been working on my family tree on and off for the past 2 years and I kept find discrepancies with Nicolass Laubscher, founding father, married to Engeltjie, born Quint.
According to the document copy I have, written by Lappe Laubscher titled "LAUBSCHER Familie Geskiedenis" - Niclolaus Laubscher was born 21.12.1651 in Switerland and married Engeltjie Quynt, born 19.11.1668 in the Netherlands.
As I added and worked on the family tree, I came across several websites, forums and other myHeritage trees saying that Niclolaus (a.k.a. Nicolaas or Claas) was born in 1945. There were smart matches and many of them alternated between those two dates yet all said he was the husband of Engeltjie.
Recently I came across new information (from various internet searches) stating that Nikolas Laubscher was born 15 Aug 1645 in Fraschels, Switzerland. He died in 1721 in Nooitgedacht. His parents were Bendicht and Agnes (born Gnagi). There is a Nooitgedacht in the Netherlands as well as South Africa so it is unclear where he died.
Upon further investigation, as I tried to work backwards finding his parents and so forth, I came across more confusing information. Now I am aware that many people just copy information they find on the internet and hence a lot of disinformation is floating about (I admittedly do it myself). Yet, this is what I found in an attempt to be more accurate.
It is clear there were two Nicolaas' and each married a different wife and each had different parents.
Nicolaas b. 1651 - Parents Jan Albert & Franselin
Nicolaas b. 1645 - Parents Bendicht & Agnes
The issue arises when, according to several tress and sites and forums, each Nicolaas had the exact same children!
So my question was: who did these children really belong to?
The children in question were:
Johannes Albert Laubscher b. 1686 d. 1714
Eduard Laubscher b. 1688 d.1713
Aletta Laubscher b. 1690
Benjamin Laubscher b. 1694
Elizabeth Laubscher b. 1697
Anna Laubscher b. 1697
(Possibly) Jan Josua Laubscher b. 1698
(Possibly) Nicolaas Laubscher
(Possibly) Benedicht Laubscher
(Note: in many cases the surname spelling is different i.e. Loubser, Laubster and other information suggests three of the children died young therefore they aren't mentioned on any of the supporting documents mentioned next.)
The only information I have found that has any supporting evidence has been from this website (http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/olivier/I297.html). There it states that according to various Wills, Inventories and Church Records - the children in question do in fact belong to Nicolaas b. 1645, married to Engeltjie Quint.
Should I ever get to Cape Town (I live in Johanessburg), and if the opportunity arrises, I will try and varify this information. For now I guess it's safe to assume the Ball Family did their research.
If anyone has anything further to add or evidence to share, please do so. Anything from ancestors to direct descendants.
