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Surnames
Ros, Rose, Ross, Rosse
Description
Welcome Ross/Ros/Rosse Researchers!! Come in and see our new website!! The Ross DNA Project has been established to provide further genealogical support to Ross family researchers internationally. All those with Ross connections are warmly invited to join the project. Ross members who already have Family Tree YDNA test results or wish to order initial testing at discounted Group Rates are encouraged to join the FtDNA Ross project at:
To Join Click Here >>>> www.familytreedna.com/public/rossdnaproject
You can view results at the website below. Cherie's old pages, for those looking for them, are not current but can be found here:
Cherie's Old Pages
If there are any questions, please do not hesitate to contact one of the Ross project administrators.
Background

Those who want to, once and for all, put to bed the family lore that you are related to the family from Ross Castle in Kerry Ireland; the original Ross clan chieftain Fearchar Mac-an-T-Saigart of Balnagowan Castle, Scotland; the Antarctic explorers Sir James Clark Ross and Sir John Ross; John Ross, husband of US flag maker, Betsy Ross; or to Cherokee Chief John Ross (or other famous / infamous people)…DNA testing is the way.

The project uses high technology DNA analysis to determine whether families share a common ancestor.  The male chromosome is passed down virtually unchanged from father to son.  So, two male Ross 7th cousins would have virtually the same male DNA pattern.  This scientific fact is useful in genealogy when one does not have documentary records to show a family connection despite circumstantial evidence that suggest a family connection.  If the DNA of the descendants of the branches one is trying to connect do not have the same DNA pattern, then one knows they are not closely related.  If the pattern does match, then there is a common ancestor at some point in the past lineage.  The technology can’t pinpoint how many generations back the ancestor is, but it can tell us if there is a common ancestor.

Participants joining the project are sent a lab kit in the mail.  The kit includes a “Q” tip or toothbrush type of instrument that one rubs along the inside of one’s cheek with for 30 to 60 seconds.  Then the swab is placed in an envelope and mailed to the lab.  That’s all it takes.

Within 6 to 8 weeks, results are available for the sample submitted.  When enough samples are collected to make comparisons between branches of the family, a summary sheet will be supplied to each participant indicating which branches were shown to have a common ancestor.

Ross members who already have Family Tree YDNA test results or wish to order initial testing at discounted Group Rates are encouraged to order the test on the project order page:

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Ross

Project members have their ancestry summaries on this page: 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cherietree/RossFamily/rossdnaprojecthome.html

 If you would like to make a contribution to the Ross Dna Project General Fund, please click here:

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=ross

Goals

The Ross Family DNA Project seeks to use DNA analysis to enable Ross families to determine if they share a common ancestor with other Ross families.   For ease of developing this page, I have chosen my family name “Ross” to describe the project.  Please be assured that this project is for all derivatives of the name (Ross, Ros, etc.)

The project will:

  • Develop a table of genetic patterns of all Ross Families so that Ross researchers can determine whether their families have a common ancestor with other Ross families
  • Encourage Ross researchers to submit DNA samples.
  • Share the results with all participants in the project and make the results publicly available on the internet with appropriate considerations for privacy of participants

We need representatives from YOUR line.  Please find someone from your tree who qualifies and submit a test as soon as you can!  We recommend testing as many YDNA markers as you can.  37 or 67 markers are best.

Contact co-administrators of this project with any questions.

News

November 2012 Update.

On Jul 2012, National Genographic Project and FTDNA announce Geno 2.0 SNP test package, which will effectively replace the FTDNA deep clade test package for YDNA Haplogroups. This product is processed by FtDNA but is currently purchased via NatGeo here:

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/genographic-kits/geno-2.0---genographic-project-participation-and-dna-ancestry-kit

Using an exclusive, custom-built genotyping chip, NatGeo tests nearly 150,000 DNA markers that have been specifically selected to provide unprecedented ancestry-related information including Haplogroup terminal SNP.

GENEALOGY RESOURCES

A fellow researcher sent the following page that contains a list of good resources for genealogists.  If you have a good website for that we should list here, let me know.  

MY FACTS PAGE - GENEALOGY RESOURCES

Useful list of records available in Ireland
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/tracingirishroots/tracingirishroots.htm
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/ulster/
http://www.nireland.com/genealogy/census.html
http://www.jstor.org/stable/553941
http://www.amazon.com/Ireland-Census-1659-surnames-locations/dp/0940134896

PRONI in Belfast is the best source ror Ulster Records. Their website is www.proni.gov.uk

Useful source of free records at the following site!
http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ua-free-pages.php

ROSS HERITAGE

The gaelic word "ros" means a "headland" and is often used as part of place names in Scotland. The clan crest is a hand holding a laurel wreath, and the Ross' noble motto is Spem succussus alit - "Success nourishes hope", which nowadays we would call "Success breeds success".  Scotland's highlanders have long been renowned for their fierce fighting spirit their proven highland blood.

There was an ancient Celtic earldom of Ross in the north-east of Scotland, in what is now the county of Ross and Cromarty, between the Cromarty and Dornoch Firths, north of Inverness. The clan was sometimes referred to as Clan Anrias or Gille Andras/Gillanders, the old Celtic Earls of Ross, who were said to have descended from Gillianrias, the son of the hereditary abbot at the monastery of Applecross.

Clan Ross takes its name from the Clan's lands in the beautiful County of Ross. Originally known to the Highlanders as Clann Grille Aindreas, "the sons of Andrew", patron saint of Scotland, the Clan has a bloodline dating back to the original Celtic people of Scotland. Their origins are closely tied with the old Celtic church, the Clan descending from an ecclesiastical family who held an hereditary priesthood.  The founder of the Clan Ross was Fearchar Mac-an-T-Saigart (Farquhar, the Son of the Priest), abbot of Applecross in Wester Ross, who inherited the abbacy early in the 13th century. 

In 1214, when Alexander II led an army to the north to repress a rebellion by Donald Bane, who was claiming the throne, Clan Ross assisted the king and was rewarded with the title Earl of Ross.  Fearchar's loyalty to King Alexander II was rewarded in 1215 when he received a knighthood, and in 1226 he was created Earl of Ross.

The Ross clan was prominent in the Scottish affairs and supported an alliance with Llewellyn, the Welsh Prince, against the English.  They fought at the Battle of Largs against the Vikings in 1263 and spoke in Parliament in 1283 to support settling the succession of the throne on the infant Princess Margaret, the Maid of Norway.

The clan and their chief, William, served with distinction in the Wars of Independence against the English. There is a great write-up of the Ross clan and the family at the My Clan website.)  Their chief was captured at the Battle of Dunbar in 1296 and was taken as a prisoner to London. He was released but was captured again while protecting Robert the Bruce's wife and daughter at the shrine of St Duthac in Tain.  Following in the tradition of Fearchar's early support for the Crown of Scotland, his grandson, William, the 3rd Chief and Earl, supported the great King Robert the Bruce by leading the Clan Ross against the English at the glorious Battle of Bannockburn in 1314. The clan fought bravely at Battle of Bannockburn in 1314 and the earl's seal is one of those on the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320. 

Hugh, the 5th Chief and Earl married a sister of Robert the Bruce and fell at the Battle of Halidon Hill in 1333.  His son, William, died without male heir in 1372 and so the Earldom passed through the female side into the Clan Leslie. The chieftainship was granted to William's brother, Hugh Ross of Rariches, who was granted a charter to the lands of Balnagowan in 1374. Not all Ross’s totally supported the Crown.

The earldom was forfeited when the Lord of the Isles was defeated in 1476 but the surname survived and the chieftainship devolved to the Rosses of Balnagowan near Tain.  After a long struggle with the neighbouring clan MacKays, the clan Ross was defeated at a battle at Strathcarron by the Mackays in 1486 and never recovered. Despite this, Ross is still one of the five most frequent names in the northern Highlands and the 16th most frequently registered in the whole of Scotland in 1995.

The 12th chief led 1,000 of his clansmen against Oliver Cromwell at the Battle of Worcester in 1651. However, many were captured and transported to the colonies in New England.

For over three centuries the chiefship rested with the Ross’s of Balnagowan, until the death of the 13th Chief of the Clan, David Ross of Balnagowan, in 1711. The chiefship then passed to another Ross family, and the Chief became the Hon. Charles Ross, son of Lord Ross of Hawkhead in Renfrewshire.  A Norman family called de Ros settled in south-west Scotland in the 11th century and some of their descendants also became known as "Ross" or sometimes "Rose".  At one time they managed to convince the Lord Lyon that they were the chieftains of the clan Ross but this was overturned in 1903 and David Ross of Ross and Shandwick is the current chief.

The chiefship now rests with the family of Ross of Pitcalnie, heir of the line of David, last of the old family of Balnagowan.  For more information about the Ross heritage see http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/ntor/ross.html.  The Corbet, Dingwall, Duthie, Fair, Gillanders, Haggart, McLulich, MacTaggart, MacTear, MacTire, Taggart, Train, Vass and Wass families are all regarded as septs (sub-branches) of the powerful Clan Ross.

See the Clan Ross - USA or the Clan Ross - Canada for more information on the international clans sanctioned by the current chieftain.  Much of the information here was taken from the website at http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclanross.htm.

The Ross clan has spread from Scotland throughout the world, particularly in England, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and America.  (Did they migrate from or to England?)  The Celtic Ross families go back to at least 150AD.  See the website describing the development of the Ross-on-Wye in Roman.

ROSE CLAN

The Rose connection:  John Robert Ross's book " The Great Clan Ross" published in limited edition in 1972 lists the Kilravock estate as formerly being owned by a Ross family until about 1688. The passage reads:

"Hugh Ross (Rose) fourteenth Laird of Kilravock and Rosshill had a delayed infeftment in 1672. He married a daughter of James Lord Ross and Dame Margaret Scot, and the history of this family of Rosses ends abruptly with Hugh's death in 1688. In 1672 there was a change in entail and a change of name and the records indicate that the family of Rose of Kilravock became the proprietors of these estates." (p 148)

The Great Clan Ross Cover

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Here is another place where this Ross spelling is declared:  http://books.google.com/books?id=K00NAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA492&lpg=PA492&dq=Rosshill+kilravock&source=web&ots=XwMfLMfSCF&sig=jUCsH08kOa-bbJ0D1zqt98UHN3g#PPA484,M1

The entail is highly likely to have a strong Ross/Rose family connection and probably was a Ross who took the Rose spelling and changed historical references to Rose.  One list of Rose Lairds can be found at http://users.eastlink.ca/~grose/roseclan.html. 

Info on Rose (Kilravock) Castle is on the Rose clan website:  http://www.clanrose.org/kilravockcastle.htm where it states the castle was erected in 1460 by Kilravock VII under charter by John, Lord of the Isles and Earl of Ross. 

The most widely accepted account of the Roses is in the book "A Genealogical Deduction of the Family of Rose of Kilravock with Illustrative Documents from the Family Papers and Notes Rose, Hugh” by Cosmo Innes http://books.google.com/books?id=rb9GCo3_bqYC&pg=PA17&dq=Ross+kilravock#PPA13,M1.

Here is synopsis of what this document states is the lineage of the Rose Clan: 

OTHER NOTIBLES


England’s John Ross and nephew James Clark Ross were knighted for their polar expeditions and giving us the Ross Sea.

A descendant of Hugh, the 9th Chief, was Colonel George Ross, an officer in the American Patriot Army which fought the British in the War of Independence. His signature appears on the American Declaration of Independence.

Betsy Ross (married to another John Ross) made the first example of the present U.S. flag at the request of George Washington.

Another of the many of the Clan to rise to prominence in the U.S.A. was John Ross, who was born in 1790 of a Scottish father and part Cherokee mother. Fair haired and blue eyed, John Ross to be principal chief of the Cherokee Nation and vigorously opposed the westward migrations onto Cherokee lands. During the Creek war he led the Cherokees against the Creeks, - who were led by their Chief, William MacKintosh, also of Scottish descent.

Charles “Charley” Brewster Ross, was the 1st kidnap for ransom victims in the US in 1874.  It was the most famous such case in the country until the Lindbergh baby.  The Charles Ross case was never solved.  We are looking for a documented descendant from this line.  Charles had 3 brothers who had many descendants.   You can read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charley_Ross.   We are trying to prove or disprove the claims of one family who claims to descend from Charley.  The story is documented in the following article:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cherietree/RossFamily/CharleyRoss.pdf 

The footnotes for the article are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cherietree/RossFamily/charleyrossfootnotes.pdf  

 

A great description of the Scots-Irish migration to America can by found in "Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America" by James Webb:

    "The Scots-Irish Presbyterians began trickling out of Ulster soon after the 1704 Test Acts came into force [in Ireland].  In the next two decades a rather small assortment of families, typically traveling in "parcels of 600 to 800 people, ventured across the Atlantic to test America's promise as well as its receptivity to their religion and their cultural ways [...] In this first experimental wave of emigration the Ulster emigrants scattered their arrivals amount the major ports of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Annapolis, and Charleston, South Carolina.
    But by the early 1720's, when the large-scale migrations from Norther Ireland began, the port of choice had become Philadelphia.  Over the next five decades the overwhelming majority of Scots-Irish settlers entered the American colonies through either Philadelphia or the nearby cities of Chester, Pennsylvania, and New Castle, Delaware, which were just south of Philadelphia along the Delaware River.  From these locations the Scots-Irish settlers first spread westward into the vicinity or Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and then later followed the mountain roads southward into Virginia, North and South Carolina, and points beyond.
    From the early 1720s to the beginning of the American Revolution in 1775, there were four great surges of Scots-Irish migration.  Each was brought about not only by events in Ireland, but also by a series of incidents and incentives in different American colonies that affected both the pace of their migration and the locations they chose for settlement.  The first large migration, from 1720 to about 1730, brought them heavily to Pennsylvania.  The second, concentrated in the years 1740 and 1741, drew them to the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia and brought with them many of those who had already settled in Pennsylvania.  The third, beginning in the mid-1750's, saw a heavy influx farther down the Appalachian and Allegheny Mountains into southwest Virginia and then into North and South Carolina.  This influx included many Scottish highlanders - although they generally arrived in Wilmington, North Carolina, rather than in Philadelphia and settled in the Piedmont rather than in the mountains - as well as Scottish and English borderers, these three groups having been uprooted by political events that followed the Battle of Culloden in 1746.  The final surge, in the years just before the beginning of the American Revolution in 1775 saw large numbers of new settlers from Northern Ireland move into the communities that had already been established, especially in the southwest Virginia and the Carolinas.
    Philadelphia became the Ulster Scots' most popular port of entry for two reasons.  The first was that the Pennsylvania colony had been created with an eye toward accommodating religious freedom and thus largely welcomed the Ulster dissenters, at least initially.  And the second - equally as important- was that the communities in New England and New York wanted nothing to do with them.
    The Ulster Presbyterians who migrated to New England in the early 1700s had believed that the Puritan communities would embrace them as fellow Calvinists, but "the Puritans liked neither Scots nor Irish[...] they were shortly informed that citizenship would not be granted in any Puritan colony except by membership in the established church, which was Congregational."  As a result, most of the Scots-Irish moved off to the frontiers [...]  Feelings against them grew so strong that in 1729 a mob arose to attempt to prevent the landing of one of the ships arriving from Ulster.  "Wherever the Scotch-Irish went into New England it was made abundantly clear to them that they were unwelcome."
    Early migrations to New York and New Jersey were even smaller than those that went to New England, with much the same consequences.  There was "nothing to attract them to New York.  Its land policy was not generous, its country regions along the Hudson were taken up in great estates, and no special effort had been made...to attract colonists from Northern Ireland...only three small colonies of Scotch-Irish settle in New York throughout the eighteenth century."

He later says the Scots-Irish were lured to Pennsylvania as people to protect the pacifist Quakers against marauding Indians and into the Maryland borderland to as a frontier line against encroaching Maryland Catholics.  

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ORDERING DNA SAMPLE KITS

The Ross Family DNA project seeks to include data from the various Ross DNA projects and incorporate their data.  Family Tree DNA’s (FTDNA) laboratory is recommended.  It is affiliated with Dr. Michael Hammer and the University of Arizona and tests the Y-chromosome for genetic matches between males. Results are placed in FTDNA's Y-DNA database and when 2 people show matching results, the lab will inform both parties (provided both signed the FTDNA Release Form).   Please visit the FTDNA website for more information and an explanation of Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA).

 Other projects use other labs, but the results cannot be loaded into the FTDNA database.  By ordering through FTDNA you receive project group rates, which are less expensive than standard rates.  The following Y-chromosome DNA tests are available.  Please see the FTDNA website for availability of other types of DNA testing.

The 12 marker test is best at ruling out relatedness with another participant, but is of limited value in genealogy and is not recommended. The 25 marker test is more refined. And FTDNA is now offering the 37 marker test.  Whichever you choose now can always be upgraded later for an additional fee.

Other kits are available for testing Haplogroups.

By ordering the kit through our project you are agreeing to have your results incorporated with other tests and displayed on this site.

Click here, to order a DNA Sample Kit, or email one of the administrators for assistance.   Please note, that when you order your sample kit online you may string other email addresses in the email contact information.  Separate them by a semicolon.  For example:  InterestedParty1@xxx.com; InterestedParty2@xxx.com.You may include anyone you wish, such as anyone who took part in paying for your test. 

When you receive the test, you will find a release form.  Please complete it and return it with your sample.  This will make your results (numbers only, no personal information) accessible in online searches of the FTDNA database and will enable FTDNA to notify you of future matches.  However, it does not make your information available to other surname projects or Ysearch.

We strongly encourage all participants to make their results public in the FTDNA database and in YSearch (for Ydna tests) and MitoSearch (for mtDNA tests).  (Information at this link was gratefully obtained from Phillip Hawkins on his excellent Hawkins surname project.

Lastly, if you would email your family tree to us, minus living people, we would really appreciate it, so we can add it to this site.  If you have your data on a website you may send the address for that.  Please let us know if you would be willing to be a coordinator for your specific Ross line.  If you do we post your name and email address as a contact for anyone wishing to get more information or to find other people in the tree.  The time commitment should be small.

For more information, contact the project co-administrators above.

Results

DNA RESULTS

Click the Y-DNA Results above to go to the DNA Results for the project.  Notes about some markers follows to clear up confusion.

Our project recommends a minimum of 25 markers be tested, 37 is even better, 67 is best. 

To be considered a match you should match 11 out of 12 in a 12-marker test, 23 out of 25 for a 25-marker test and 34 out of 37 for a 37-marker test.  This does not rule out that you might be related to someone where you don’t match the numbers.  You and someone else who don’t match could match a third person, with each of you only mismatching the third person by 2 markers…just 2 different markers.

On a different note, what happens if you have documented your tree and are sure you have a connection to another tree, yet the DNA samples don’t match?  It could be that in some past generation, the father was not who the child thought it was.  For instance, it was not uncommon for orphans to be adopted (legally or just family members raising other family members’s children) and never be told.  This is where the public databases in FTDNA and Ysearch become very useful.  Your test results can be matched to all results that people have allowed to be public in those databases.  If you find a match, you then MAY know the surname tree of your elusive ancestor.   This is why it is so important that people make their data public.

Dr. Tyrone Bowes, PHD best explains why so many tests don't match the surname expected or match many tests of differing surnames in his article "Using Y Chromosome DNA Testing to Pinpoint a Genetic Homeland in Ireland":

A son typically inherits two things from his father, his surname and his Y chromosome. The surname has changed considerably since his ancestor first adopted it, in Ireland it has been anglicized from its original Gaelic to English, often losing its Mac, or O’ in the process. Even its spelling in English has evolved over the centuries from, for example, O’Bouey, to Boe, and Bowe to its current form Bowes. The surname has often changed so much so that its original meaning in Gaelic can only be guessed at. However, in the estimated thousand years since an ancestor took his surname, the Y chromosome inherited from him remains virtually identical. This is assuming of course that he has inherited his Y chromosome, given that on average only 50% of individuals sharing a unique surname will have inherited the original Y chromosome of the founding ancestor. Where the Surname does not match the Y chromosome it is the result of what scientists refer to as a ‘non-paternal event,’ which encompasses such events as adoption, infidelity, and illegitimacy, often resulting in the maternal transmission of a surname.7 Only analysis of the Y chromosome will reveal whether maternal transmission has occurred.

Genetic genealogy for descendants of Irish ancestors is made easy for several reasons. Ireland was the first Country in Europe to adopt inherited paternal surnames. 478 These surnames were a genealogical record in themselves, denoted by Mac’ or O’ meaning son of, or grandson of respectively.

There are two ways to display the result of the second test on marker 389. In both cases, the name for the marker is 389-2. The first way to display the result is by showing the result from the original test, which is the total for the entire 389 marker, including the first section. This is how Family Tree DNA displays the result.

The second way is to show the result only for the second section that is tested by subtracting the 389-1 score from the original second test score. This is how the Genographic Project displays the result.

Basically, converting between the two is easy: simply add together the two 389 values from the Genographic Project to get the 389-2 value for Family Tree DNA, or subtract the 389-1 value from 389-2 from the Family Tree DNA results in order to get the 389-2 value for the Genographic Project. 

What this means is you may be off one in the 389-2 display, but only because you were off one in the 389-1 marker.  If so, it only means you differ by 1 marker, not 2.

FTDNA gives this explanation on the fast moving markers:

Y DNA: Marker Selection

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